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 7-09-2007 01:15:03 AM
Carl
Carl
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From: United Kingdom

There I was writing my newspaper column about “non violent communication” when, rather ironically, I became enraged by two stop press news items that knocked me off my perch in a fit of utter incredulity.

Just as I was adding the finishing touches to an article that espouses the need to acknowledge our deepest needs and act lovingly when it comes to getting the best out of ourselves and each other, I don’t mind communicating that I was incensed by the latest outbreak of what I call “scientism”.

First I hear a “ground-breaking” British study has found that artificial colours and commonly-used preservatives, such as those often found in sweets and soft drinks (do they still warrant the tag “soft”?) might be linked to hyperactivity in children.

And then, only moments later, a further news item (I use the term “news” with some resistance) which warns that children who have binge drunk by the age of 16 are more likely to use drugs when they grow up, turn into alcoholics and possibly end up with criminal convictions.

If you heard these items, were you tempted - as I was - to put your head through your hi-fi system? So much for non violent communication.

What’s more, I later found out that the findings of those ground-breaking scientists - namely a team at Southampton University whose results were published this week in The Lancet – are being taken so seriously, that the European Food Safety Agency (EFSA) will be looking into the “possible link” between certain food colours and ill behaviour.

Furthermore, I gather the no-doubt earnest scientists also suggested that parents now have a simple tool to help them tackle hyperactive behaviour. Thank you - I must add that to my list that includes not playing on motorways and refraining from juggling with knives.

In the similar what-planet-do-these-people-live-on piece of work, researchers at the Institute of Child Health in London reckoned that in a long-term study of 11,000 British children born in 1970, those who drank heavily in their mid-teens encountered a wide range of social and medical problems by the age of 30.

Well I never. Lord only knows what an over-indulgence of those iridescent blue alco-pops might do to the average teen.

Not for the first time, I am reminded of Basil Fawlty who tells wife Sybil that if she were on Mastermind her specialist subject would be 'stating the bleeding obvious'.

I understand that we all have to have jobs and pay bills, but this sort of work and these sorts of “findings” are an insult to the intelligence, instincts and intuition of the people for whom they are presumably intended.

We know at a very basic level that blue sweets and industrial chemicals might not do our kids much good. And that if they go on to overdo it on the booze, it could bring about all sorts of nasty consequences; you don’t need a degree to see that let alone a well-funded, long-term research project.

And therein lies my beef - not with science not even with scientists - and the joy I imagine they get in endeavouring to understand how and why things work, especially when geared to the betterment of humankind and society. My complaint is levelled right between the blinkered eyes of “scientism” – the narrow-minded belief in the scientific worldview to the exclusion of other equally valid terms of reference, those subtler human faculties and inner knowing.

We just know some things and don't need a prolonged and rationalised trip around the houses to prove it. Only the most dead-from-the-neck-down types of people need the validation of this sort of research. And what about those binge drinkers who don't turn into social misfits or the poor kids who never got to try a blue Smartie, just for the fun of it? Life is more complex than those boffins would have us believe.

I sincerely hope that the work of these clearly well-meaning folks has been dumbed-down, trivialised or mis-represented. There must surely be much more to it than the hype that made the headlines this week.

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 7-09-2007 05:01:15 AM
Dawn Carr - International Psychic Medium
Dawn Carr - International Psychic Medium
From: United States

You tell 'em, Carl! :)

NEWSFLASH:
This just in: Scientists have discovered that 9 out of 10 people who step out in front of traffic will, in fact, get hit by an oncoming vehicle. Through ongoing studies at Cambridge University over the past two years, these researchers have determined that when these motorized vehicles come in contact with human flesh, the flesh becomes badly damaged in the process. The scientists involved in the Cambridge study have recently received grants to continue testing their findings for another two years, or until they run out of willing subjects.

Peace,
Dawn

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 6-11-2007 06:40:01 PM
Jayne
Jayne
Moderator
From: United Kingdom

Yes , I suppose it is annoying to read things that are pretty obvious........ to us,
(as we on this forum are probably more aware than most people on health issues)

But I think it can only be good to highlight these issues do get in the papers as I come across lots of people still who don't have a clue about additives and the like and what they are feeding their children.( Maybe it that where I live is a mainly working class area? I don't know ) Although Scotland has the highest rates of heart problems and other health problems related to poor diets, smoking and alcohol prob's in W.Europe and maybe beyond
.I have often struck up conversations with people behind me in the supermarket queue who have their baskets laden down with diet soda's, and other such crap.

(BTW why is it that every time I see someone drinking a diet soda- they are fat?)

One guy was amazed when we pointed out that additives are linked to hyper-activity ,
' OMG! I wondered why my son was always manic!' -he said as his little boy was running riot in the store!

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 7-11-2007 07:17:53 PM
Helen
Helen
From: United Kingdom

I enjoyed your hissy fit very much Carl! :) And understand exactly what you mean.

But the truth is what Jayne said - there are so many people who are not aware of these things! :( I too watch the families who go out of the supermarket with one & sometimes two trolleys loaded with the most disgusting cr@p you've ever seen, which they consider edible - oversized multi-packets of crisps, fizzy drinks, some of which are blue (yuk), processed sausages by the dozen, you name the cr@p, they've got it in their trolley. I'm just not at all surprised that today's kids are in the state they're in, because most of this stuff is to satisfy the demands of the children - and the kids want it because the parents introduced it to them in the first place! This food is also instant, and fussless, so easy peasy to prepare & bung in front of the family while they're watching TV.

:(

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 8-11-2007 10:14:24 PM
Jayne
Jayne
Moderator
From: United Kingdom

Too true Helen (sigh........) I wonder if one day in the future we'll look back on this and be amazed that companies were actually allowed to call this stuff 'food'.
In the same way that cigarette companies used to hawk their wares as having 'health giving properties!'

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 9-11-2007 05:59:43 AM
Jon
Jon
From: New Zealand

Scientists have discovered that 9 out of 10 people who step out in front of traffic will, in fact,

Dawn, did you know that 98% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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