I don't doubt it!! What it represents for me is the huge gulf that exists between the two different types of thinking, and how it's almost impossible for them to be reconciled. But that doesn't mean to say that either of them is wrong, no matter what skeptical scientists and their lab experiments might have to say about the issue.

In my opinion the true men of knowledge are not usually the scientists, and certainly not people like Andy and his ridiculous quackometer. The true men of knowledge are the shamans, seers, healers and mystics of this world who fearlessly push past the barriers between this world and others. They don't need to 'believe' in energy, healing, alternate realities and the soul. They KNOW these things exist because they interact with them everyday. They only laugh when scientists and sceptics try to tell them these things don't exist. And best of all, they have no desire or need to prove anything to anyone.

However, I strongly believe that science will one day catch up with what shamans and mystics have known for thousands of years. In fact science is already catching up slowly. There are many scientists out there - real scientists - who truly have an open mind about what else might exist in this truly wonderous reality that we find ourselves in, and how it all works. A couple of good books to read about some of their research and findings are "The Field" by Lynne McTaggart, and "Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot.

Here's an article by Michael Talbot that summarizes some of what's in his book
http://infiniteplaythemovie.com/universe_as_a_hologram.aspx

"What we perceive as reality is only a canvas waiting for us to draw upon it any picture we want. Anything is possible, from bending spoons with the power of the mind to the phantasmagoric events experienced by Castaneda during his encounters with the Yaqui brujo don Juan, for magic is our birthright, no more or less miraculous than our ability to compute the reality we want when we are in our dreams.

Indeed, even our most fundamental notions about reality become suspect, for in a holographic universe, as Pribram has pointed out, even random events would have to be seen as based on holographic principles and therefore determined. Synchronicities or meaningful coincidences suddenly makes sense, and everything in reality would have to be seen as a metaphor, for even the most haphazard events would express some underlying symmetry." - Michael Talbot

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I can really relate to the comments in your post Andy-
so many of the 'old wives tales' from our most precious herbal folklore are now being 'proven' to be of great benefit and not having the side effects if taken in the right way.

Intuition is so often ridiculed by the scientific community ( yet I believe that the best scientists use it every day without maybe even realising it!)

A lady I know who was pregnant back in the 50's- when prescribing Thalidamide was all the rage by Dr's, refused to take it when it was recommended by her GP for mild morning sickness. She just followed her gut feeling that warned her not to accept his advice....( and back then that was no small thing not to defer to the Dr) and what a good thing that was!
She has no higher education - in science or anything else- just a normal woman following her instinct - real intelligence in my opinion!

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that was my Mum as well . The quack wanted to put her on them when she was having me! ........that was a close shave

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An interesting article here on science and mystism:

http://www.infinitebeing.com/0406/mysticscience.htm

Einstein said that, “The most beautiful emotion we can experience is the mystical. It is the power of all true art and science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead.”

“The Field,” he even said at one point, “is the only reality.”

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This all reminds me of a day when I was at a health fair in the Midlands. I was giving various taster treatments & talking to lots of people about therapies & things that I do.

A middle aged gentleman started to chat to me, and I could see he was pretty sceptical - he was a doctor, he told me. Then he asked me what my dowsing rods were for. I told him I used them to help find out where clients had problems. The look he gave me made me laugh! Try it on me, he said. So I did.

He was very tall, about 6'6", and I slowly started to scan him from top to bottom with the rods. Nothing happened till I got right down to his knees, when they suddenly snapped shut. You seem to be having quite bad probs with your knees, I said. Well.....the look on his face was a picture!! How the hell did you know that?? he asked!

I smiled enigmatically.....MAGIC! I said! )

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Well, it wasn't necessarily because it was in his energy field that it affected him. It was because you used a basic form of hypnosis to convince him otherwise. You wouldn't have even had to have the can of soda present. All you had to do was convince him that it was there at one point. Better yet, you could have made some kind of silly noise (with his eyes closed) and then told him that you sprayed him with something toxic and you would have had the same results. It's a mind over matter kind of thing.

Peace,
Dawn

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Also, I'd like to add some comments on this whole "science vs. metaphysical" topic.

As a spirit medium, psychic and hypnotherapist, you might think that I have my head in the clouds all of the time. However, I have always been enthused by science and I'm actually quite the skeptic when it comes to metaphysics and the claims that people make. This doesn't mean that I discount these claims immediately - it's not like that at all. I actually rely on my intuitive gifts to "tune into" whether something has some truth in it. My Spirit Guides know that I need proof in all that I do and they are very good about giving me this proof, especially in scientific ways. Because I "see" things that ordinary people may not see, I'm always looking for a way to show people that the metaphysical things that are happening all around us are really there.

One example of this relates to the spiritual Light that we surround ourselves with and which many in our community refer to on a regular basis. There are many people who don't understand what we mean when we refer to "the Light" and they are also confused about the positive energy within it. To help people understand, my Spirit Guides showed me a really cool experiment so that others could see the Light.

I went to a Kirlian photographer and had my aura picture taken. I didn't do anything special except sit there and be photographed. To many with a scientific nature, Kirlian photography is a great way of understanding the basics of metaphysical energy. In this photo, you can see my energy and not much more. The next week, I went back and had my aura picture taken again. This time, I surrounded myself with a protective field of Light energy and asked my Guides to surround me as well. This picture is incredible! You can see clouds of Light surrounding me (especially over my head) and you can also see the lighted images of my Guides standing next to me. It's very cool!

So, this is one example that I use to show skeptical people that the Light is truly a real thing with energy and that it can be very useful for them. After all, if we didn't have Light we'd all be living in total darkness.

As you can see, there are different ways of showing people the ethereal aspects of life in a scientific way. There's no reason that it has to be one or the other - it can be both. When I'm doing platform mediumship readings, I won't bring any messages through without verifying the identity of the Spirit who has come forth. I do this through confirming personal information that the Spirit relates through me. So you see, I don't just take spirits and metaphysical energy at face value. I need to know where it's coming from and the reason for it before I continue with it. It's the same with energy work. I need to see how the energy work is conducted - and I do truly see the energy being manipulated, cleansed and released. If I can't see it no matter how hard I try and with the efforts of my Spirit Guides, then I'll definitely let you know that I need more proof. Hey, I was into science before I was into metaphysics. I guess it had to be that way so that I wouldn't be simply led by blind faith. Seeing is believing.

Peace,
Dawn

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