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 5-03-2007 10:20:39 AM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

Just to let you know that on this Thursday at 9.00 on Channel4 theres a documentary about those who think Global Warming is a hoax .

I think this is a must see as I would like to know exactly know exactly what their case is
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We should all know both sides of the debate anyhow .

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 5-03-2007 10:49:49 AM
Trinity
Trinity
From: United Kingdom

Interesting as always to hear what is being said. Science can prove just about anything (or so it seems)...
We don't have a TV, although I am sure we'll hear about it :) .
Trinity
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 8-03-2007 02:42:02 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom

Just thought I'd give another reminder about this program tonight.

According to a bit of blurb in the Independant today the people featured on this program don't think Global Warming is a hoax, just that it isn't a 'man-made' phenomena, and I must admit I personally think a lot of it is to do with natural cycles probably related to the sun. Although it's probably very likely that man-made polution is speeding things up a bit.

I've read there's a lot of evidence to suggest that Mars, and possibly other planets, are also heating up at the moment, which obviously can't be caused by polution.

However, even if these people are right, and global warming turns out to be 100% natural, that is still not an excuse for us to carry on poluting the planet. There's absolutely no doubt that polution and unsustainable living are destroying the environment in many parts of the world, even if they're not responsible for climate change.

Anyway, it should be an interesting program.

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 8-03-2007 04:40:35 PM
Jon
Jon
From: New Zealand

I don't get your TV programs over here, however, I had a thought about this whole thing of global warming and wether man is in anyway responsible.
Carbon dioxide is used by trees to grow, the trees absorbe the corbon dioxide and produce oxygen, a beautiful symbiotic cycle. Now man is destroying the trees and producing more and more carbon dioxide, somethings got to give here.

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 20-04-2007 03:47:23 PM
Sally
Sally
From: United Kingdom

You might like to know that there's a fascinating article in The Ecologist this month called "The Unusual Suspects: How Esso employ tactics and people used by tobacco firms to create uncertainty over the science of climate change." A journalist called Seth Shulman has published a report, the research for which was gleaned through using the Freedom of Information Act. He calls the report "Smoke, MIrrors and Hot Air" and in it details how Esso has funded pseudo-science in order to legitamise the Bush administration's refusal to take action to tackle climate change. I didn't see the TV documnentary - was any of this mentioned?

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 20-04-2007 07:06:00 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

Hi Sally

This was a programmme on a while ago now. It was actually about how a number of scientisdts thiunk that global warming is a hoax and that we are all being swindled into thinking its real The only really credible bit of theirt argument is that sun spots may drive warming as opposed to Co2 . However if you go to http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/03/13/channel-4s-problem-with-science/ you,ll find that this has largely been shot to pieces as replicated studies have shown that the higher regions of the atmosphere are warming which is where the co2 layer is. Also Gliobal dimming is reflecting alot of the suns heat back into space.

I was a little confused for awhile but sadly it appears its ON.

As for exxon this is well documented .I shall try to read what they say in the Eccolgist

. Many thanks

John

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 6-06-2007 12:06:33 PM
Asif
Asif
Moderator
From: United Kingdom

Hi guys,

Scientific results of a study on global warming suggest that ozone layer has been depleted before...

Read the article

Peace

Asif

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 24-06-2007 12:54:02 AM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom

Interesting article:

Top scientist debunks global warming

MANKIND is naive to think it can influence climate change, according to a prize-winning Australian geologist.

Solar activity is a greater driver of climate change than man-made carbon dioxide, argues Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide and winner of several notable science prizes.

“When meteorologists can change the weather then we can start to think about humans changing climate,” Prof Plimer said.

“I think we really are a little bit naive to think we can change astronomical and solar processes.”....

....On the same basis, changes to sea level and temperature are also unrelated to anything happening today, he said.

“It is extraordinarily difficult to argue that human-induced carbon dioxide has any effect at all,” he said.

Prof Plimer added that as the planet was already at the maximum absorbance of energy of carbon dioxide, any more would have no greater effect.

There had even been periods in history with hundreds of times more atmospheric carbon dioxide than now with “no problem”, he said....

....He said bad news was more fashionable now than good and that people had an innate tendency to want to be a little frightened.

But Prof Plimer conceded the politics of greenhouse gas emissions meant that attention was being given to energy efficiency, which he supported.

The professor, who is writing a book on the subject, said he only used validated scientific data, published in reputable peer-reviewed refereed journals, as the basis of his theories.

Full article:
top scientist debunks global warming

Last edited: 24-06-2007 12:57:12 AM

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 24-06-2007 04:26:50 PM
John
John
From: United Kingdom

Hi Andy,

I personally agree with you, especially when a whole industry is growing up around this; and more especially when politicians can get involved to give promises yet actually do nothing.

However this article is worth looking at which is somewhat unfiendly to the sunspot arguement.

http://inthegreen.typepad.com/blog/2007/03/deconstructing_.html

My only real thought here is that sunspots do not generate revenue for anyone, whilst CO2 generates loads of revenue and profit with apparently no result! Not every bandwaggon is worth rolling!

Cheers,

John

Andy wrote:
Interesting article:

Top scientist debunks global warming

MANKIND is naive to think it can influence climate change, according to a prize-winning Australian geologist.

Solar activity is a greater driver of climate change than man-made carbon dioxide, argues Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology at the University of Adelaide and winner of several notable science prizes.

“When meteorologists can change the weather then we can start to think about humans changing climate,” Prof Plimer said.

“I think we really are a little bit naive to think we can change astronomical and solar processes.”....

....On the same basis, changes to sea level and temperature are also unrelated to anything happening today, he said.

“It is extraordinarily difficult to argue that human-induced carbon dioxide has any effect at all,” he said.

Prof Plimer added that as the planet was already at the maximum absorbance of energy of carbon dioxide, any more would have no greater effect.

There had even been periods in history with hundreds of times more atmospheric carbon dioxide than now with “no problem”, he said....

....He said bad news was more fashionable now than good and that people had an innate tendency to want to be a little frightened.

But Prof Plimer conceded the politics of greenhouse gas emissions meant that attention was being given to energy efficiency, which he supported.

The professor, who is writing a book on the subject, said he only used validated scientific data, published in reputable peer-reviewed refereed journals, as the basis of his theories.

Full article:
top scientist debunks global warming

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 20-12-2007 12:20:08 PM
Helen
Helen
From: United Kingdom

There has recently been a very interesting series on the BBC presented by (Scotland's own!) Ian Stewart called 'The Power of the Planet' - beautifully done & covering all aspects of how 'it' all works together in symbiosis.

He reckons that it's not a matter of "save the planet" - as the earth always survives & bounces back - but "save us!" Humans (& animal life) are much more fragile & we need to be prepared for our own destruction as life as we know it will change.

He also underlined how the rain forests are being massively depleted, resulting in inadequacy of CO2 absorption, so in this aspect we are doing it to ourselves - pumping out horrendous quantities of the stuff & wiping out nature's way of copng with it.

I'm sure you must have watched at least one or two of this series?

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