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 21-11-2008 09:25:08 PM
Neil
Neil
From: United Kingdom

Namaste all,

I thought this was a quirky little piece from The Guardian that was perhaps worth sharing with those amongst us who are interested in astrology.

Om Shanti
Neil


Obama, by Jupiter!

guardian.co.uk, Thursday November 6 2008

If the stars were aligned today for the coronation of the king of Bhutan, what does the president-elect's horoscope foretell?

The 28-year-old King of Bhutan was finally crowned today after a long delay occasioned by the court astrologers of the tiny Himalayan kingdom. It seems the royal star gazers were waiting for the "Month of the Earth Rat", though they would doubtless have also had an eye on the position of the Jupiter, which, in both eastern and western astrology, is deemed the royal planet.

Jupiter is why former president Ronald Reagan, a keen follower of astrological advice, took office as governor of California in January 1967 at the bizarre time of quarter past midnight. The giant planet was then high in the sky, promising a prosperous term for the king of the B movies. So it proved.

Might Jupiter have been similarly shining down on the victory of Barack Obama two days ago? Actually, no. By the time Obama was greeting the crowd in Chicago's Grant Park, Jupiter and most of the planets were below the horizon.

However, those looking for astrological omens for the Age of Obama (quite a few people, as a glance on the web confirms) have already noted that his inauguration – at noon on January 20 2009 – finds Jupiter perfectly aligned alongside the sun at the peak of the event's horoscope.

Most astrologers would look at the chart of the event and find it promising. By contrast, the inauguration of George W Bush in 2000 came dominated by Mars, planet of war.

So, are the stars smiling on Obama for the next four years? The president-elect (born August 4 1961 at 7.24pm in Honolulu) certainly lives up to his sun sign of royal Leo, looking every inch a prince claiming his birthright. His horoscope reflects Obama's eloquence (Mercury) and sense of destiny (North Node next to the sun).

Like the US secret service, however, astrologers are nervy about the prospect of Obama facing an assassination attempt. The prevailing planetary signature of the next 18 months – the opposition of Saturn and Ouranos – coincides with a vulnerable point of Obama's chart. Does this portend ill?

Not at all. Not that Obama, unlike Reagan, is paying attention to the stars, but the point of predicting the future is to intervene and change it. First lady Nancy Reagan hired her court astrologer after her husband had been shot.

In any case, most astrological commentators see Obama's presidency framed within wider cycles. For example, Michael Lutin, writing for The Huffington Post earlier this year, commented that "this country is about to go through a crisis of transformation such as it hasn't seen since the days of the colonists." The signifier at which Lutin was looking – Pluto reaching the materialist sign of Capricorn – is only now settling in for its 15-year stay. Already, it's clear that the world's economic system is about to get a major overhaul.

Any other astrological news from the political front line? Only this worrying titbit: it seems Sarah Palin (born February 11 1964) is about to have another high-profile, if scandal-prone, year.

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 24-11-2008 11:17:17 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom

Here's an interesting article about Obama by David Icke

http://www.rense.com/icke1.htm

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 25-11-2008 04:32:09 AM
anna
anna
From: United Kingdom

Wow, Andy, that is a good article! Go Icke, He'll do for me, I don't care about the lizards!

I always wondered how the hell Bush got elected; the 'bad guy, good guy' theory explains it convincingly.

My husband is shocked when I talk about Nazi-Obama, he thinks I'm overreacting.

I hope he's right!

Anna

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 25-11-2008 12:38:17 PM
Helen
Helen
From: United Kingdom
Andy wrote:
Here's an interesting article about Obama by David Icke

http://www.rense.com/icke1.htm

Wow, Icke really surpassed himself this time!

I expect you haven't noticed that he uses very similar techniques - like highly photoshopped emotive images - to the ones he refers to in his piece! ;)

I don't hear who he suggests would be an alternative to Obama.

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 25-11-2008 01:17:55 PM
Andy
Andy
Administrator
From: United Kingdom
Helen wrote:
Wow, Icke really surpassed himself this time!

I agree, I thought it was a great article ;)

I expect you haven't noticed that he uses very similar techniques - like highly photoshopped emotive images - to the ones he refers to in his piece! ;)

The photoshopped images actually we're created or commissioned by Icke. They originated on the Rense website. David just incorporated them into the article. And yes I'm very aware of how Icke can use similar techniques.

I don't hear who he suggests would be an alternative to Obama.

There is no real alternative Helen. And that's the whole problem. There's only ever 2 (occassionally 3) choices, and all of them are controlled by the same people. Western democracy is a joke - and if you think it isn't, then the joke's on you!

The sooner people wake up and realise that, the sooner we might start making some real progress in creating a better planet.

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 25-11-2008 01:54:05 PM
anna
anna
From: United Kingdom

"There is no real alternative Helen. And that's the whole problem. There's only ever 2 (occassionally 3) choices, and all of them are controlled by the same people. Western democracy is a joke - and if you think it isn't, then the joke's on you!

The sooner people wake up and realise that, the sooner we might start making some real progress in creating a better planet"

Andy you've totally hit the nail on the head! Which is why the crucial thing is to work on getting ourselves clear and sorted, it's the best work we can be doing. How anyone could think that one man - even if he wasn't a corrupt nazi puppet - could be the saviour of the entire western world is beyond me.

I echo your sentiments, people need to WAKE UP!

Phew, that's better ;)

Anna x

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 26-11-2008 07:57:07 AM
John
John
From: United Kingdom
Helen wrote:
Wow, Icke really surpassed himself this time!

I expect you haven't noticed that he uses very similar techniques - like highly photoshopped emotive images - to the ones he refers to in his piece! ;)

I don't hear who he suggests would be an alternative to Obama.

Yes Helen I agree .....seems to me Ike is full of a lot of reactionary bullshit. Just the slightest enquiry into what he identifies with past and present is .....how can I put it kindly ..of dubious orientation.......on the surface he says much that one can ''identify'' with.......

...But me thinks he is the quintessential drama queen and illusionist ....a pied piper who will lead you nowhere but up your proverbial.

Put this guy on the edge of contradiction ( ground him) and I fear he will shatter like glass .

However to all you good people I am open to what it is he says we must 'do' inorder to 'change' ' it' ( and through what defineable process that is....grounded in the' real' world..) .....I just haven,t found it other than 'in the need to read his books.'

.....I look forward to landing on my arse with this one ...so I,ve emailed the man himself...if he wants to contribute..

I did forward the proposition on the 'David Ike' blog that a fellow 'revealler ' and 'opponent' of the illuminatii..Arron Russo...quite clearly revealed they feared socialism in the form of Hugo Chavez et al.....so would it not be right to conclude that socialist revolution and transformation .....would certainly piss them off ..to say the least !!

Hasten to add I never got a reply !!! ;).....except from Andy (my apologies Andy)

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 26-11-2008 06:16:25 PM
Jayne
Jayne
Moderator
From: United Kingdom

Oh dear....What a load of hype and propaganda by David Icke about Obama.

I'm not so naive to think that Obama ( or any one person for that matter) can solve all the problems in the US/world by any stretch of the imagination but comparing him to Hitler is way over the top!

NLP has been used by businesses and politicians for a very long time now - - not just by Obama. Also its important to realise that some people are just naturally great communicators and might never have even heard of NLP.
NLP evolved by studying what made succesful people succesful in their own various fields,

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