Celente Predicts Revolution, Food Riots, Tax Rebellions By 2012

The man who predicted the 1987 stock market crash and the fall of the Soviet Union is now forecasting revolution in America, food riots and tax rebellions - all within four years, while cautioning that putting food on the table will be a more pressing concern than buying Christmas gifts by 2012.

Gerald Celente, the CEO of Trends Research Institute, is renowned for his accuracy in predicting future world and economic events, which will send a chill down your spine considering what he told Fox News this week. [click link to watch vid]

Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

“We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas….we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place….putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree,” said Celente, adding that the situation would be “worse than the great depression”.

“America’s going to go through a transition the likes of which no one is prepared for,” said Celente, noting that people’s refusal to acknowledge that America was even in a recession highlights how big a problem denial is in being ready for the true scale of the crisis.

Celente says that by 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts.

Celente, who successfully predicted the 1997 Asian Currency Crisis, the subprime mortgage collapse and the massive devaluation of the U.S. dollar, told UPI in November last year that the following year would be known as “The Panic of 2008,” adding that “giants (would) tumble to their deaths,” which is exactly what we have witnessed with the collapse of Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and others. He also said that the dollar would eventually be devalued by as much as 90 per cent.

The consequence of what we have seen unfold this year would lead to a lowering in living standards, Celente predicted a year ago, which is also being borne out by plummeting retail sales figures.

The prospect of revolution was a concept echoed by a British Ministry of Defence report last year, which predicted that within 30 years, the growing gap between the super rich and the middle class, along with an urban underclass threatening social order would mean, “The world’s middle classes might unite, using access to knowledge, resources and skills to shape transnational processes in their own class interest,” and that, “The middle classes could become a revolutionary class.”

In a separate recent interview, Celente went further on the subject of revolution in America.

“There will be a revolution in this country,” he said. “It’s not going to come yet, but it’s going to come down the line and we’re going to see a third party and this was the catalyst for it: the takeover of Washington, D. C., in broad daylight by Wall Street in this bloodless coup. And it will happen as conditions continue to worsen.”

“The first thing to do is organize with tax revolts. That’s going to be the big one because people can’t afford to pay more school tax, property tax, any kind of tax. You’re going to start seeing those kinds of protests start to develop.”

“It’s going to be very bleak. Very sad. And there is going to be a lot of homeless, the likes of which we have never seen before. Tent cities are already sprouting up around the country and we’re going to see many more.”

“We’re going to start seeing huge areas of vacant real estate and squatters living in them as well. It’s going to be a picture the likes of which Americans are not going to be used to. It’s going to come as a shock and with it, there’s going to be a lot of crime. And the crime is going to be a lot worse than it was before because in the last 1929 Depression, people’s minds weren’t wrecked on all these modern drugs – over-the-counter drugs, or crystal meth or whatever it might be. So, you have a huge underclass of very desperate people with their minds chemically blown beyond anybody’s comprehension.”

The George Washington blog has compiled a list of quotes attesting to Celente’s accuracy as a trend forecaster.

“When CNN wants to know about the Top Trends, we ask Gerald Celente.”
— CNN Headline News

“A network of 25 experts whose range of specialties would rival many university faculties.”
— The Economist

“Gerald Celente has a knack for getting the zeitgeist right.”
— USA Today

“There’s not a better trend forecaster than Gerald Celente. The man knows what he’s talking about.”
- CNBC

“Those who take their predictions seriously … consider the Trends Research Institute.”
— The Wall Street Journal

“Gerald Celente is always ahead of the curve on trends and uncannily on the mark … he’s one of the most accurate forecasters around.”
— The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

“Mr. Celente tracks the world’s social, economic and business trends for corporate clients.”
— The New York Times

“Mr. Celente is a very intelligent guy. We are able to learn about trends from an authority.”
— 48 Hours, CBS News

“Gerald Celente has a solid track record. He has predicted everything from the 1987 stock market crash and the demise of the Soviet Union to green marketing and corporate downsizing.”
— The Detroit News

“Gerald Celente forecast the 1987 stock market crash, ‘green marketing,’ and the boom in gourmet coffees.”
— Chicago Tribune

“The Trends Research Institute is the Standard and Poors of Popular Culture.”
— The Los Angeles Times

“If Nostradamus were alive today, he’d have a hard time keeping up with Gerald Celente.”
— New York Post

So there you have it - hardly a nutjob conspiracy theorist blowhard now is he? The price of not heeding his warnings will be far greater than the cost of preparing for the future now. Storable food and gold are two good places to make a start.

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Right then, I'll just start stockpiling gold then......

This guy must be so popular with the elite! Keep 'em scared, that's the way!

Blessings
Anna

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Namaste Anna,

For those of us who have funds to spare it is a good idea (unfortunately I'm not one of those folk). But it is not as rediculous as you might think Anna. Say a person had £500 or £1000 in a savings account that they were not going to touch for say a year. They would be much better using that money for buying gold (often in the form of coins) than leaving that money sitting in the bank. Why? Because the value of paper currency continues to diminish, whereas gold continues to sharply rise in recent months. The value of Sterling has dropped significantly in recent months which means our cash in hand (or in the bank) is worth much less than what it was say this time last year.

Anna, this isn't an attempt to scare folk. It is about sharing a better understanding of what is going on in the world around us and how to tackle it, on both the micro and macro levels. Denial of the negative elements of life never solved anything. Though ignorance is bliss they say. However I don't think it will be for much longer if the forecasts are correct. Depends I guess on what you do with the information that is given to you.

Om Shanti
Neil

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interesting ...I like his style ...re branding dialectical materialism as Globanomics(R)

Now ..... why didnt I think of doing that ?? ... well, actually I did many years ago but sort of thought it was not really in the revolutionary spirit of things .

What matters is that people listen to the message and digest it ...many will certainly take it from him rather than me .....wouldn't they?

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Hi Neil
I love what you say, it is sincere and insightful, I think you are a guy with great integrity.

It's just that, I don't think the entire planet is beginning its journey towards awakening, just so that it can look around at the mess and think 'oh shit, what a mess' EVEN IF you are offering a valid approach to dealing with the mess, by taking what this guy says as 'true'.

To me, the whole point is not denying it's bad, it's recognising our Sovereignty (sp?) on this Earth, our ability to co-create absolutely everything that happens. To know that there is no 'out there', that it's all 'in here'. When enough people really really get this, a tipping point will be reached. The world will change to reflect the inner change that is happening in so many awakened people.

I don't want to sound hippy dippy, I'm a real, grounded, intelligent person. But I believe it's more important that we get ourselves clear within, and let the 'without' emerge from that.

Sorry, off-topic I know, I'll stop now!

Bless
Anna

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Makes sense to me, Anna!

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Namaste Anna,

Thanks for your thoughtful response.

Sounds like a "but" is coming... LOL

Why not? That sounds like the perfect place to start, precisely because that would seem to be the place we are in. Practically everything seems to be in some degree of mess these days. Both in the external world and within ourselves.

Though I'm not sure what you mean by awakening. If it is in a socio-political sense perhaps we are heading towards an awakening, but I'm doubtful. Even if there was a significant revolution I think people would sink back into their slumber soon after. If you mean a spiritual awakening I tend to be even moret cynical of this. I would truly love either to occur, but as you can see I'm hardly over flowing with optimism for the near future of humanity! LOL

But for the aware individual I do have a lot of hope. Which is why I'm here talking to individuals and sharing information which I hope might benefit them and their family in a very personal way. People can ignorantly poo-poo and mock the info if they wish. I actually expect most people to do so.

Well at best it was only a fragment of an approach to tackle things, and only on the level of the individual. This guy has a good hit rate, so I would take much of what he says as reliable but not gospel. Events are always subject to change!

I probably agree with you regarding that it's "all 'in here". In fact "everything is within" is a phrase commonly used in my spiritual path (Kashmir Shaivism). So we probably see eye to eye here. But no prizes for guessing I'm someone who is doubtful we will get to that tipping point, not at least for a very very very long time. I can't see enough people reaching a significant degree of awareness and insight to produce that level of change. Though I don't wish to sound like I'm all doom and gloom, as I'm genuinely not that kind of individual. In fact I'm far more concerned with spiritual affairs than I am with worldly affairs.

Again I agree with you Anna, very much so. I think this is a fundamental and crucial point you have made and not "hippy dippy" at all. Overall I think it is philosophically a sound premise. There is an adage in the Confucian tradition of "If there is righteousness in the heart, there will be beauty in the character. If there is beauty in the character, there will be harmony in the home. If there is harmony in the home, there will be order in the nation. If there is order in the nation, there will be peace in the world." Unfortunately not many folk sincerely and earnestly work on their heart and the quality/level of their consciousness. Sadly this often comes last on the list of desired changes, if it is even recognised as a needed change at all. What I've found is that most people aren't even interested in changing themselves in any substantial way or are even aware to what depths change can occur. This reminds me of the Carl Jung quote of "People will do anything no matter how absurd, in order to avoid facing their own soul." Speaks well of our age and culture. But I'm also of the perception that much of this inner work can only be tried and tested in our interactions with the external world. The majority of the time this is in simple day to day life, but occassionally it verges into larger areas of responsibility also. And our current period unfortunately seems to be unfolding into one of those rare times.

Good grief! Don't drag me off-topic, I rant and rave enough already on the matters at hand without going off-topic!

Om Shanti
Neil

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Namaste John,

Hope this finds you well.

Sorry John, I don't see how the method/techniques used here for collecting and interpreting information is a rehashing of dialectical materialism. Celente himself says he is a "political atheist. Unencumbered by political dogma, rigid ideology or conventional wisdom..." I can kind of see what you mean though, since part of the technique used for forecasting is seeing the connections between aparently unconnected fields, but I don't think this constitutes it being a DM premise that is being utlized here. Especially when the precise methodology of the operation is not public knowledge.

Shame really, you could have made a mint if you did by by selling the info! Where as Celente appears to have no concern for the revolutionary spirit and is quite happy to cash in on the info his operation produces.

John wrote:

...many will certainly take it from him rather than me .....wouldn't they?

LOL You are probably right there John. Why? Well, there is a meditation for you!

Om Shanti
Neil

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hi Neil

god there's a lot going on here and its an excellent topic as Celente is really throwing us into the' real' world and the probability of what is going to unravel...He's sort of spelling out the options both implicitly and explicitly.

What is going to intrigue me is the responses people here and elsewhere will make to it and their logical assumptions and positions .

You say Neil

There is a basic logical thread that mirrors DM...(its implicit in the quote above)...he perhaps has some more frilly bits ...but then he's selling something so you need a bit of pretty packaging .
However so that we don't talk gobbledy gook to each other Neil, I think you'll have to give me your understanding of dialectical materialism as you clearly have a view of it that informs your comment ........and yes his methodology does appear to be somewhat ''not public knowledge''...which I find actually quite entertaining ....I love the (R)...as in yep !! this is original thinking here guys ...so its lawsuit time if you argue the toss !....... .

BUT...don't get me wrong... let it be said he definitely has something to offer...by definition..absolutely so .. and he will add something original in some way.....don't we all? I'd love to meet the guy..!

..... I'm intrigued about the meditation....do reveal..... LOL

john

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Neil
Your compassion and integrity are shining from my computer screen, it's a lovely sight!

Thanks for your detailed reply. Yes, I think you are over-cynical, but you are a thinker, so it's inevitable. You are so well-read, crikey mikey!!

I love those quotes you put up. They may find their way onto my wall. You provide much food for thought and I agree with everything you say, how about that?

Further to Confucius (sp), I'm working with Ho'oponopono just now, which is a similiar idea. Change yourself, the world around you changes. It's nice to feel I'm working within but (I have faith!) helping the world get clear too.

It's all good, yes indeed.

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Namaste John,

Hope this finds you well.

Me too! Though most folk don't seem to want to touch such topics and in a way who can blame them.

On the surface it might seem so, but beyond that it is making a bit of an assumption. DM is quite clearly defined and the Trends Institute methodology is so cloaked that beyond assumption and guess work I can't see how any firm conclusions between the two could be reached.

Absolutely, especially if you are selling bad news! LOL

You and I have had plenty of detailed banter on DM for you to know my understanding of it, including my perspective of its pros and cons.

Unfortunately it does seem that he has something to offer, even if it ain't good news. I would actually like the dude to be wrong on all this....very wrong! It isn't going to be pretty.

I heard him on a radio show the other day and he was saying that one of the next stages in the recession of the US will be in the arena of commercial retail. He suggested that many of the enormous retail parks in the US would start shutting up shop, but the smaller town based place sof commerce would possible benefit in this period. This I feel is good news (in a sense). It will be good to see more power and wealth returning to smaller communties and away from the larger superstores. Though here in the UK I suspect we will only see this on a smaller scale. But any return to a smaller scale, local based economy seems to me to be a good thing.

Om Shanti
Neil

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Namaste Anna,

I'm nice in very small doses, beyond that I'm just a big pain in the ass. LOL ;P

Well, that is one way to shut me up! Now if I could only get everyone else in the world to agree with you! LOL

I only learned of Ho'oponopono a few weeks ago and only the basic outline at that. But from what I can gather it seems quite good and very inwardly focussed, which I think is excellent. Though as with all such very internally focussed paths I imagine it can be pretty demanding. Wishing you the best with it Anna.

Om Shanti
Neil

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Hi Neil...ive just spent 2 hours replying ...and it s dumped the bloody lot whenI went for a reference

You,ll have to wait now ...Im pissed off and off to bed ..........what about that meditation?....I think I need one !!...that or a stiff whisky

John

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Neil

Thanks for that. I've got 4 small children, so going inward is a doddle, trust me. It's being outward I avoid! LOL

John,
2 hours?? Blimey, it must have been good. Unless you're dyslexic. Please try again!

Anna x

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hi Neil...and Anna

thanks for your comisserations Anna ....yes that was somewhat annoying . I usually select all and copy ..but then when you go out and try and copy paste something else ...your select all is no longer ..as I found out when the reply page came back BLANK!!

As for whether what Im writing ''must be good'' Anna is something you'll have to judge ..

I actually contacted Celente and asked him if he,d like to take a look at the debate ..laying down my position as to his methodology...and said I was up for a good trancing ...all in the spirit of learning .......so you never know ?

I remember we did swop a couple of emails on the the subject which was somewhat curtailed by my getting the flu.... so you never actually got a reply as to your assertions of DM.
If I may say and I say it in all humble sincerity nothing of what you said made any sense to me in regards to DM then, hence why I thought I'd ask you again in the
blog ..just in case I'd missed something .

Anyhow no matter ,as you did concede at the time that ;
''As I’ve said I’ve only got a partial grasp of DM, so correct me if I am incorrect in this analysis.''

So I suppose I'll have to give something of DM ,so that you can re evaluate your analysis and at the same time back my assertion in regards Celente .

DM is based on the premise that all' laws' be they social, chemical ..whatever are a reflection of the processes found in nature ....and that in essence everything is interconnected and leaves it reflection on the 'other...ultimately we are energy in all its 'forms' .....in motion/transformation

The fundamental dynamic ie the dialectic bit .. in many respects mirrors the Dao
The interpenetration of opposites . transformation in both quantative and qualitative respects ...best here think of a seed interacting with elements in the earth it grows .becomes a shoot (qualative transformation) .......develops branches ( again further qualative change )..............blossoms (yet another ) and so its cycle goes on within the universe.

Important thing about DM is that it makes a distinction between the' essence' of something and its 'form'or 'appearance'. Essence being its inner dynamic whether it be abstracted( known) in thought or not. Its form/appearance its expression (visible character)

If one abstracts the laws correctly then one will achieve 'predictability' ...or as Celente calls it trends .

One of the important things about DM (and most so called 'Marxists' are not DM'ists) is that it is not about imposing ones own images on the world but rather experiencing the world as unfolding ..being mindful only of the underlying dynamic ....hence Celentes assertion of being' non dogmatic '.

One thing about DM is that you begin to take the' personal' out of it to a large extent although you are also active within it as well depending on your position within the whole .......it is more akin to an act of witnessing as much as it is a struggle to change it. ......It is never happier than with paradox.

Its by no means 'conventional 'as there are few practitioners of it.

Another of its propositions is that there is absolute truth and relative truth ,but each is within the other . as with negative and positive..there is the positive within the negative and the negative within the positive.


Which kind of leads me on to the other question you are interested in Neil as to the logic of our positions Celentes included ......but thats another day as I'm jigged ....

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Namaste John,

You're not the only one John. I'm at the stage now where I hit copy about three times to make sure it copied the highlighted text. Somewhat annoying puts it mildly after spending a good chunk of time writing up a response.

Good going! I doubt he will make an appearance, but heck if you don't ask then you don't get. Let us know if you get any response from him or any of the staff. I'd be interested to know what they said and if they revealed anything about their methodology.

A couple of emails! LOL I think that flu might have affected your memory. ;P Over the last few weeks we've knocked back and forth around 29 emails regarding the economic situation (which includes some DM discussion) and each of our personal perceptions of it.

Well I'm not keen to relaunch into another lengthy DM dialogue and I don't wish to bore everyone else here with going way off topic with a way in-depth posting. Though I'm not sure why what I said didn't make sense. Made sense to me, but then to be fair what makes sense to me is often on fringe of the rational. And then there are the days when I really don't make sense! LOL But if you wish to look at what was said in that last pre-flu email regarding DM it was as follows. Equally please don't feel the need John to head down this rabbit hole.

"In some ways dialect materialism resembles aspects of some spiritual philosophies, though only in a physical context and a reduced one at that. But I do get what you mean and I do get what you say about the nature of dialect materialism playing out in the world, to which I can agree with a good bit. Much I can go with to a degree but aspects of DM such as mind/consciousness being dependent on matter, or matter being independent of mind/spirit, I disagree with."

"Dialectic materialism seems to me to either deny or have not considered various the immense complexities of the human condition. It’s views on humanity and society could not be said to be all encompassing. DM seems to deny the seed that society has grown out of and therefore tries to understand the operating principles of society while failing to know its components. So it cannot draw a fully accurate picture. Any form of materialism is fatally flawed and grossly limited in what it can explain. By its own nature it limits its ability to expand its understanding and knowledge because of its primary assumptions about matter. So in some ways it is a mental straightjacket because it doesn’t allow exploration to develop outside the restrictions of its tight perimeter and dogma. As I’ve said I’ve only got a partial grasp of DM, so correct me if I am incorrect in this analysis."

"The material was not sent just to show you what takes place outside of public knowledge (and the direction it is going), but in order to offer an insight to making preparations for times ahead. DM and the ICofC may intellectualise about the nature of what is going on, but what the hell is point if you have already lost your civil liberties, your access to food, water, clean air, money, your independence, your health, your freedom to think, act and live as you see fit. Too little too late for the majority! Which to me makes the foundation of this philosophy seem incredibly cold, inhumane and lacking in that most noble of human qualities, compassion."

"...would it be equally fair to say then that your devotion to dialectic materialism is indirectly blinding you to what is going on in the world today and effectively rendering you inactive and unquestioning, a passive participant in your own demise and that of society’s? In the sense that your willingness and ability to explore the nature of events, to be open to alternative views of actions and the human agency involved, has in essence became sterilized, neutered if you will?"

Om Shanti
Neil

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Namaste John,

To be more direct about it then, I think I get DM, its not like I don't understand it. In the almost ten years I've known you (and came to love you dearly ) I've certainly developed a fundamental grasp of it. Add to that I'd already did a degree in sociology and politics, with heavy emphasis on Marxism. So I have a half decent body of knowledge to build upon. In our dialogues I've gave DM plenty of genuine consideration and reflection, through which I can agree with aspects of it to a degree. Yet overall to me it is still a limited philosophy and found wanting in some ways. That is simply just my opinion of it, nothing more. My opinion is unlikely to change though because I find all forms of materialist philosophy, be it classical materialism, historical materialism, analytical materialism, DM, etc. all each inherently limited by their own narrow suppositions.

But for me to back up your assertion with regards to Celente using DM is illogical. Unless we know for sure how he does what he does then it is all just guessing on our parts. Without further insight or evidence into how he performs there is no way to say for sure, which in effect makes any assertion groundless. So you may repeatedly claim he is using DM but this is nothing other than your personal opinion and interpretation, which in turn is currently (unless he states otherwise) based on the very limited and vague description of how he operates. In fact does your insistance that this is DM, without the slightest trace of evidence of it being DM, not speak of what I previously said when I wrote "your devotion to dialectic materialism is indirectly blinding you...In the sense that your willingness and ability...to be open to alternative views of actions and the human agency involved, has in essence became sterilized, neutered if you will?" Could it be that your love for DM is making you see it where it doesn't necessarily exist? From a distance two things might look similar but once you see them up close they might be completely different. It is only when you seem them up close, in greater detail, that you can honestly assess and identify them.

And now for something completely off topic and utterly random

Om Shanti
Neil

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Sorry, Chris, I just noticed you peeking out from under there!

Thanks very much, I thought it was just me..

Now I know why I avoid all -isms; they give me indigestion.

Anna

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Hi Anna ..your little replies don't half give me a chuckle...out of all this diatribe going on here your wit and presence shines above all.......

Sorry, Chris, I just noticed you peeking out from under there!

Now I know why I avoid all -isms; they give me indigestion.

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Hi Neil
......loved the something stupid ...I think Josh will like that one.... I 'll have to download it .

Now ....what have we gone and got ourselves into here !! ...I'm beginning to wish I'd just kept my trap shut ! .....I've had a busy day ...its pissing down and I've got a headache from all this thinking .....but I 'll do my best .

I knew this was going to happen and that inevitably we will talk past each other ....or gobbledy gook to each other . as it really is predicated on a shared understanding ..not a shared acceptance of or belief in .

The reason why I had no clear sense of your understanding of it ,is because you didnt assert what it IS .. Your assertion of its limitations and general critique didnt make it clear to what you thought it was in and for itself....( as opposed to what it was for you) . Hence why I said what I said ,and why I laid down a simple explanation of it ......I hope thats okay.

To stay true to what my assertion was: ie Celente is using DM and what other peoples logical positions and assumptions are , I can only give you my understanding of DM so that you can see where I'm coming from.

So as regards Celente....the reason I can assert its DM is because I don.t need to read what his method is ..as in a book ( though it would help) to abstract the general logical tools and assumptions he's working with . They are implicit in much of his language and his statements. As I said with DM everything leaves its reflection on the 'other '...a pattern of its presence which one can abstract through logical enquiry.

Essentially his claims and trends reflect certain propositions in regards the mechanics of world economy. That he predicts and accurately so the global crash is because he can read the quantative and qualitative changes that are emerging and predict their motion ,interaction and consequences .
He is also aware that Marxists have already made that prediction as long ago as the breakdown of the Bretton Woods agreement ( which incidently they are now trying to return to in some fashion.).If you look through his stuff you can see the DM......method quite clearly.....infact you,ve got to be blind not to see it .

As for His position ...he is clearly an opportunist . He has taken a system of thought that he knows others dont use .....since when did a banker or an investment specialist claim to be a Marxist ? and been able to exploit it . He does however have a contradictory relationship to it .
When he says ....“The first thing to do is organize with tax revolts.'' that is a statement of solidarity with workers as well as the middle classes opposed to the state which will seek to levy the bill on them.

Generally the positions you guys seem to have ...and I say this with a smile ....is both sceptical, and with an overall reflection on the negative ?... and by the time you've sorted out whether its a reality or not .the situation will have changed yet again and with it your relationship to it ( you might not know the dialectic ..but the dialectic knows you)

As for action it does tend to come over as , get a lump of gold and head for the hills,with a few like minded folk and keep your head down !..... After all as you say Neil..''I'm far more concerned with spiritual affairs than I am with worldly affairs. '' ....

As for me, DM shows me that there is a positive within the negative and that the world working class and middle class are collectively the only critical mass that can transform society and achieve the common goals of saving the Planet, extend civil society to all, by socialising and liberating us from the constraints, manipulations.greed and consequences of International capitalism and its elites...for we are not where we are through some nebulous notions and potions ..but by a predictable process.

I must now find a way to play my part within that.......my son will depend on it .

''History does not grant us the choice of what she throws our way, but our humanity does demand we seek to address it ''

john

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