Please see this vid on cows milk........

Ann x


http://www.veganforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17681

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I don't wish to burst your bubble Ann, but unprocessed cows milk is generally very good for most living creatures. Goats milk is known as the 'generic' milk.

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Personally, we don't have any dairy products except the odd bit of sheeps cheddar!

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Not wishing to burst you bubble... isn't cow's milk for calves?

The ONLY living creature to take milk from another species is actually 'mankind'. Last time I looked mankind appeared to be riddled with every type of illness under the sun.

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There are many speciesof animals that WILL drink cows milk if given the opportunity, dogs and cats to name 2. You are correct that cows milk is for their babies, that just doesn't mean humans and other animals can't or shouldn't drink it. Cows milk, unprocessed, is full of many nutrients. The problem with cows milk is getting untreated milk. As far as mankind's illnesses, there are many toxic substinces in our diets that we are not meant to eat, many, many chemicals that are man made that make us sick, IMO, raw cows milk is NOT one of them. There are many, many references to raw cows milk being used for health and healing, in NZ Dr. Ulric Williams used it in his clinics all the time. His success rates were extremely high. From my own experience in NZ, there are many dairy farmers in the area I live, those with young families always feed their kids unprocessed cows milk, and all the kids are healthy. Ask any of them about store bought milk and they will tell you they wont feed it to their dog. Too much is made of MILK without the diferentiation between RAW and PROCESSED.

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We're obviously on different planets Jon...

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No, we are obviously in different countries.

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I think its a case of balance ( as always ) my body is perfectly ok with raw cows milk and if it was a problem for I'm sure it would have shown up in the many Kinesiology sessions I've had.
Interestingly - I saw a documentary recently following a tribe living in the Hymalean ( sorry can't spell it!) mountains and the staple part of the diet was Yaks milk - which they burried underground for several years to ferment it to make a kind of cheese - sounds disgusting but they looked good on it and lived extremely long lives !

Personally I'm far more suspicious of Soya milk.......

Ps. What does Generic milk mean ?

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Here is what Dr. Mercola says,
http://articles.mercola.com/.../more-dairies-go-raw-as-consumers-learn-the-benefits-of-unpasteurized-milk.aspx

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Did the people in the Himalayan, I ggoled the spelling, drink the milk or did they just eat the cheese?

Can't remember exactly but am sure they would do as they used everything from the Yak from meat to clothing and it looked pretty high up so I don't think there was much else to eat/drink!
Yes - Generic- that makes sense. Goats milk has more of the enzymes needed for digestion- ( which pasturisation process destroys)

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My experience showed me that soya milk isn't optimal for health either. I wouldn't drink it personally.

I haven't eaten dairy for 13 years. My body thrives without it. It is interesting to hear of these different experiences. It's important to explore what we feel pulled to.

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God didn't make SOY to be made into milk.

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Exactly.

Then we might also say that 'God' intended cows milk to be used for baby cows... and human milk to be be intended for human babies.

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There is a 'bit' of a difference between processing soy into milk and drinking milk straight from the cow. What your saying seems to be that we shouldn't eat meat or in fact anything that comes from animals or birds or even fish. I don't agree with that as humans are omnivours, as are some other primates, we are designed to eat meat and vegitation and many of the foods that come from other animals.

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What I find so frightening about this topic, is the thousands of people that drink ordinary cows milk daily and eat cows cheese. I’m talking about the milk you find in supermarkets and in the shops.

Ordinary pasteurized cows milk is highly mucous-forming and allergenic, like soya, and is causative in so many allergies.

Eczema
Asthma
Hyperactivity in children
Arthritis
IBS
Breast Cancer

(to name but a few)

It is alarming that so many thousands of people are ignorant of diseases linked to cows milk products, and it is alarming that it is still so highly promoted.

Ann xx

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Ahem! Speak for yourself. My body (and those of countless others) does not fare well on dairy products.

For instance my ex partner spent much of his childhood in the emergency room at hospital with severe asthma. He was lucky to be alive at all. In his early adulthood, funnily enough, he gave up dairy (after giving up meat a few years prior to that) and reclaimed his health. He's is now a picture of health.

My Mother was a national athlete in her teenage years... by the age of 35 she was vitually crippled with arthritis. When allopathic medicine failed she was about to get a wheelchair as she could barely walk. By 'chance' however, she read a book that suggested she cut dairy out of her diet... she had nothing to lose and tried it. Within a few weeks she was running around again, living a normal life!

Just a couple of first hand examples off the top of my head. I have met countless others who have similar stories to tell.

Personally, my health levels soared when I gave up eating all animal products. I don't buy into the fact that we need meat and dairy at all. I don't buy into the fact that I am an omnivore either.

I wouldn't for a second tell you that you should give up meat. It is probably right for you.

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Trinity, I will bet that the milk those people drank was pasteurised, and there in lies the problem.

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I would like to bet that sweeping pressumptions will not get you far either.

One drank pasturised. The other did not.

There may be lots of scientific info relating to milk pasturisation and its effects on health. That's one issue. My experience tells me that there is a lot more to it than that single consideration...

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Trinity, there are a lot of people who are lactose intolerant, wether the milk is past. or not, just as there are many who are not lactose intolerant. The problem is that I have yet to see a major study that uses anything but pasteurised (and mostly homogenized) milk. These studies are flawed because pasteurisation destroys the goodness in milk and makes it harmful. The generalisations that milk is not good for you are inaccurate. There are many people who are able to thrive on raw milk that cannot take pasteurised milk. So whenever a study, or in fact anyone, states milk is not good, I believe we have to be specific and use the term pasteurised milk is not good for you. Raw milk, on the other hand is extremely beneficial to considerably more people. People who read the studies like the one here and stop drinking milk because of it, are probably doing themselves a favour as they are probably drinking past. milk.
Generalisations about any type of food, be it milk or vegitairian or vegan or whatever are what I object to, as I believe they are scare mongering.We are all individuals, and as such we have individual needs. I know many who are not vegetarian because they lose energy when they don't eat meat, just as I know many who, once they stopped eating meat, became much healthier and happier. So lets keep the generalisations to a minimum.
I work with food intolerances/allergies daily, and the individual is the key, what works for one may not work for another. I guess its the old saying, one man's meat is another man's poison.

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